Monday, April 20, 2009

And you wonder why I'm no longer Catholic

Cardinal Pell has written an article for the Herald Sun regarding the spread of AIDS in Africa, and the Catholic Churches teaching on the subject. His first point is thus:

"To blame Catholic teaching for the spread of HIV/AIDS requires proof that those following the first essential Christian requirement of living chastely within and before marriage are still dying of AIDS. Pigs will fly before that argument does. "

Um, really? Because there are dozens upon dozens of documented cases out there of women who are infected by their husband. Primarily because the husbands play away with prostitutes and sex education - partciularly safe sex - has been hampered by the very types who either agree with Cardinal Pell or pander to those who do.

His second point:

"Infected people who are prepared to put the health of their partners at risk are unlikely to give a moment's consideration to Catholic teaching on condoms."

I'm sorry, but is anyone else seeing the contradiction here? Those infected people likely wouldn't be infected if they disregarded the Catholic Churches teaching on Comdoms in the first place. If the sex-workers spreading the disease were properly educated, we wouldn't have an issue either.

Cardinal Pell, a word in your shell-hole. The spread of HIV and AIDS in developed countries has largely been arrested through the use of Condoms and education on Safe-sex. Not the increase in chastity, which is on the slide, or by people waiting until their wedding night. I don't have any problem with the Catholic Church advocating for either of those things, as long as they make it clear, like Proffessor Green, whom Cardinal Pell quotes, that these measures are best backed up by sex-education and condom use.

Until the Catholic Church does so, I'll have a hard time believing they are doing anything other than pushing their own agenda.

14 comments:

Jayne said...

Yeah, give the Church about...oh, say 400 years and they'll admit they were wrong (sans apology, though).

iainhall said...

Keri, Cardinal Pell is actually right on the money here precisely as Jimbo points out.

Keri said...

Iain, abstinance-only sex-education is just as harmful as just preaching safe-sex. Pell points to the Professors stance (mentioning, to his credit), that Green advocates chastity backed up by safe-sex education and condom use and uses it to back up the Catholic Churches position, which expressly forbids the use of condoms. The two views are not compatible. I have, as I said, no issue with chastity education, no-sex-before-marriage advocates and the like, as long as they are backed up with safe-sex education.

And Jimbo was suggesting that I quote everything that Pell has said on the issue. I was responding to an article BY CARDINAL PELL, which I linked to. If Pell left things out of his article HE is the one "lying by omission.

Jimbo, you've already been told. Your comments here are not welcome. Piss off.

iainhall said...

Keri
there is no point at all in thinking that advocacy of condom use in Africa will make any difference to the pandemic there, the fact is that the infection level has got so high that condoms are useless.especially when so many men "play away"
So Cardinal Pell is right to suggest that if individuals can't follow the churches teaching on chastity they won't take up condom use either.
You are battling an imagined enemy here and Resistance is Futile

Keri said...

"there is no point at all in thinking that advocacy of condom use in Africa will make any difference to the pandemic there, the fact is that the infection level has got so high that condoms are useless.especially when so many men "play away" "Iain, if those men use condoms, they won't bring AIDS home to their wives. It's a very simple answer. As I've said, the answer would seem to be chastity, abstinance AND safe-sex education. The Catholic Church refuses to admit that condom use cuts infection rates.

iainhall said...

Keri
the reality is that they don't think like that at all and once they have got the virus what do they do when they want children?

Keri said...

"Keri
the reality is that they don't think like that at all and once they have got the virus what do they do when they want children?"
Iain, the majority of infections in the areas the Catholic Church are referring to unknowingly pass on the virus.

Jeremy said...

I wouldn't bother responding to Jimbo. I'm sure his further efforts to flout the ban will be deleted when Keri gets to a computer.

Jayne said...

Good grief, the nuck futters are out in force.
Yep, sex ed Sarah Palin-style really works sooooo well, doesn't it?!
I wonder, with all the double speak and hypocrisy of the church, why are men playing away and not "acting chastely" ?
Certainly nothing to do with the filthy paedophile priests the church protects, certainly nothing to do with the Nazi-lovin priests the Pope protects and certainly nothing to do with the hatred it breeds towards those in the GLBT community.

SB said...
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SB said...

Sex with condoms isn’t worth the effort. To enjoy themselves fully people need to let their juices run free!

What the catholic church offers is a way out of the rubber-walled prison of safe sex. Then once again people can enjoy the taste, fragrance and feel of their partner’s fluids. If both parties follow the church teachings then they can have it all.

Until the Catholic Church does so, I'll have a hard time believing they are doing anything other than pushing their own agenda.What exactly do you think their agenda is? Killing lots of people through the spread of aids? The church offers lots of good sex, albeit only with one other person. The alternative is sanitised second-rate sex. In the end this doesn’t work well because the sex isn’t as good.

Keri said...

Yes, if I'm looking for advice on sex, the first people I think of are the Catholic Church is my first stop, SB.

SB said...

Obviously catholics are good at sex or there wouldn't be so many of them. You've got to copulate to populate!

Bruce said...

Obviously catholics are good at sex or there wouldn't be so many of them. You've got to copulate to populate!And there's that fixation on quantity over quality. You'd think those Catholic priests were virgins giving out advice like that.

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